Friday, August 21, 2009

It's True- It's all about the guys- fake lesbianism

I follow AfterEllen.com on Twitter and this vid was posted there today.



I never realized how much girl on girl kissing actually happens on TV outside of gay themed shows like The L Word.

*sigh*

5 comments:

Cathy in AK said...

Unfortunately, as the host said, it's more for the ratings than for giving any real meat to a story. I would welcome another series similar to The L Word, one I might actually get to watch this time : P

There are few mainstream shows that take lesbian or bi storylines seriously. I think Grey's Anatomy made a somewhat decent effort with Callie, but I didn't catch the entire arc and haven't watched the show in a while. Thirteen's sexuality on House was handled fairly well. Despite the hot f/f scene for one episode that eventually showed us she was sort of slutty : ) Does being given a bad diagnosis give one license to act like that? I guess...Anyway, at least the creators/writers tried with some shows. With most others, it's all about the tease.

Oh, the guys ogling in the clips just made me roll my eyes. Heh, why not show another woman being turned on by two girls kissing? Think we'll ever see *that* happen?

And I *loved* the end of the clip with the lesbian singing "I Kissed a Girl." Nearly blew coffee across my laptop.

MB (Leah) said...

Cathy, I haven't seen The L Word. I should probably rent it since I've heard so much about it.

This guy is so right though, audiences don't want to see guys kissing. Even on shows like Will and Grace I don't recall any man on man actual kissing, although I didn't see all of them.

Although I've seen some men kissing, which was done for shock value as well. But it's usually between two actors who are totally straight both on and off screen and everyone then thinks it's funny and a big joke.

But what also can be said is that actual lesbian characters who might or might not kiss are not such a turn on or good for the ratings/shock factor, like when Ellen came out on her show. That killed her show because then her sexuality of liking women wasn't for male titillation.

One show that had a girl on girl kiss that really affected me was Once and Again. In the last season, Evan Rachel Wood's character falls in love with Mischa Barton's character and they share a brief kiss. It was so poignant and innocent and had all that first love angst and such to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usPy6M8Mfkg

So yeah, there are some girl on girl kisses in shows that are done very tastefully and not for shock value or to grab the 15-38 year male's fantasies. But I think they are rare.

Cathy in AK said...

But what also can be said is that actual lesbian characters who might or might not kiss are not such a turn on or good for the ratings/shock factor, like when Ellen came out on her show. That killed her show because then her sexuality of liking women wasn't for male titillation.

Because male viewers' fantasies about getting in on the action is shot when it's two girl-only lesbians rather than a straight girl or two kissing : ) Perhaps the same thing about gay men kissing portrayed in shows. Average Hetero Joe viewer can't see himself involved.

Yet for some reason, shows geared more for straight female viewers (ex. Grey's and Will and Grace) tend to be less "shock value" and more character/story oriented. We gals seem to be more relaxed about it, don't we? JMHO, of course : )

Anonymous said...

Don't get me started, though painful had to laugh at the guy through the clip, spot on! And the dig at Kate Perry, gold.
(Still think Jill Sobule's song kicked Perry's arse)

A friend of mine always, who is actually straight lol, goes absolutely psycho at the late night ads, for the phonelines and dating sites, with the women pashing. You never see two blokes on those ads!

kirsten saell said...

Considering how many women I've seen get all shivery at the hint of a possible m/m kiss on Torchwood, I'm wondering if the only reason there's little shock value in m/m stuff on TV is because of potential backlash from the straight male audience. I think m/m bothers your typical straight man in a way that f/f doesn't bother women--f/f has been fodder for straight guys forever, and men have controlled the media for so long even women who are offended by it tend to just take it as par for the course.

So a m/m tongue kiss is kind of a double-shocker, because 1) it's rarely seen in the mainstream, and 2) it puts off a lot of men in a deeply visceral way.

I can understand lesbians' frustration with the mainstream never taking them seriously, although I have already come across gay men who quite loudly decry the growing m/m romance trend as "unrealistic and exploitative". To which I reply what's good for the gander is good for the goose. If you want to talk unrealistic and exploitative, there's a ton of lesbo porn out there just begging for an honest critique.

Still, men and women, straight or gay or in between, are entitled to erotic material that caters to their fantasies. The prevalence of male-centric f/f in the mainstream is more indicative of the (straight) phallocentric nature of our society. That's a lot--like thousands--of years of history to undo before men and women are on an equal enough footing to show Will necking with his boyfriend on prime time. Might happen eventually, tho.